CHOICE ABOVE ALL OTHER
Questions & Answers
Questions and Answers
Vast Indian and Pacific Oceans or Atlantic Crossing?
1 Nephi 17:1 and
that Lehi crossed the Indian and
"And it came to pass that we did again take our journey in the wilderness; and we did travel nearly eastward from that time forth..." (1 Nephi 17:1)
Lamanites lived ...on the west, in the land of Nephi; yea,
and also on the west of the land of Zarahemla, in the borders by the
seashore, and on the west in the land of Nephi, in the place of their
fathers' first inheritance, and thus bordering along by the
Which Small Neck?
we conclude from references to the "small" or "narrow
neck of land" (
the land of Nephi and the land of Zarahemla were nearly surrounded by
water, there being a small neck of land between the land northward and the
Oceans or Seas?
"isle of the sea" have to mean that the seas bordering the
lands of Zarahelma and Nephi were all oceanic bodies of water?
Lake Ontario (Waters of Ripliancum)
have been led to a better land, for the Lord has made the sea our
path, and we are upon an isle of the sea.
great are the promises of the Lord unto them who are upon the isles of the
sea; wherefore as it says isles, there must needs be more than
this, and they are inhabited also by our brethren." (2
"...the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people...and from the isles of the sea (and from the coasts, regions, borders, habitable lands of the sea = "oomeiyey hayam" = הַיָם וּמֵאִיֵי)." (Isaiah 11:11, 2 Nephi 21:11)"Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea(in the coasts, regions, borders, habitable lands of the sea = iyey hayam = בְּאִיֵי הַיָם)." (Isaiah 24:15, KJV)
"Sing unto LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the
sea and all that is therein; the isles
(coasts, regions, borders, habitable lands = iim =
inhabitants thereof." (Isaiah 42:10, KJV)
inhabitants thereof." (Isaiah 42:10, KJV)
Tropical Jungles or Temperate Forests?
Q: Must we conclude from the
references to "fevers" and "nature of the climate"
that Book of Mormon lands are tropical? Does "...some seasons
of the year" mean all seasons of the year, that is, the two
tropical seasons - the wet and dry season?
there were some who died with fevers, which at some seasons of
the year were very frequent in the land - but not so much so
with fevers, because of the excellent qualities of the many plants and
roots which God had prepared to remove the cause of diseases, to which men
were subject by the nature of the climate-" (Alma
Springtime HEAT INDEX!
Q: Must we conclude based on the reference to
of the day", that Book of Mormon lands are located in the tropics?
People living in mid-latitudes can occasionally experience heat indices in the 80 - 90 F range in the spring and early summer, prior to barley harvest. Prolonged activity, while exposed to these heat indices, can cause fatigue.
Evidence indicates that winters were milder in western New York for much of the Book of Mormon period. (William A Ritchie, Indian History of New York State, Ed Leaflet, No. 6) Even in modern times, western New York occasionally sees a warm humid spring day with a heat index above 80 F. The scripture says "heat of the day", not heat of the season! There is no scriptural indication that the first of the year was always hot.
behold, sleep had overpowered them because of their much fatigue, which
was caused by the labors and heat of the day...thus
ended the twenty and fifth year..."
Humid western New York can occasionally
experience a spring heat index above 80 F
Humid western New York can occasionally experience a spring heat index above 80 F
Q: Must we conclude that Nephi's expression, "whiteness
of the driven snow" is merely a quote from Isaiah?
the whiteness thereof did exceed the whiteness of the driven snow."
(1 Nephi 11:8)
Leopards or Lions in the Promised Land?
Q: Is Nephi's reference to "the leopard"
proof that jaguars inhabited the
then shall the wolf dwell with the lamb; and the leopard shall lie
down with the kid, and the calf, and the young lion, and the fatling
together; and a little child shall lead them." (2
Nephi 30:12; 21:6 same as
Helaman 7:10 necessarily allude to an ancient Mesoamerican or
South American highway?
was upon a tower, which was in the
An Example of
Mound Builder Earth
Works (Newark, Ohio)
An Example of Mound Builder Earth Works (Newark, Ohio)
"cement" mean the cement made by
the people...did dwell in tents, and in houses of cement, and
they did suffer whatsoever tree should spring ...that it should grow
up, that in time they might have timber to build their houses, yea, their
cities, and their temples, and their synagogues, and their sanctuaries,
and all manner of their buildings." (Helaman
indeed did I behold the plates, the Urim and Thummim, and the breast plate...The
box in which they lay was formed by laying stones together in some kind
of cement..." (JSH 1:52 )
Wood and Metal Works!
we conclude that Nephi constructed a temple of hewn stone in fashion
like the one Solomon built?
Mound Builder Copper Breastplate
I did teach my people to build buildings and to work in all manner of
wood, and of iron, and of copper, and of brass, and of steel..."
I Nephi, did build a temple; and I did construct it after the manner of
Mound Builder Metal Work
An Example of Mound Builder Metal Work
Hagoth's Lost Ships!
Does the Book of Mormon say that Hagoth's ships
sailed out into the
Verse 4 tells us that exploration and occupation of “the land northward” started before Hagoth built his ships. The Book of Mormon does not say that the main purpose of the ships was to voyage to uncharted lands.
Verse 5 describes Hagoth as an “exceedingly curious man”. The English word “curious” comes from the Latin words “curiosus” and “cura” meaning “careful” and “care”. This word is commonly taken to mean “interesting” or “inquisitive”, “singular” or “odd”. An old use of the word, however, means “accomplished with skill and ingenuity”. This is closer to the meaning translated from ancient scripture. (Psalm 139:15, Exodus 35:32) The Hebrew terms in “curious work” and “curiously wrought” relate to words for “weave” and “embroider”. The processes of “thinking”, “contriving”, “planning”, and “fabricating”, are implied. Interpreting “curious” to mean “accomplished with skill and ingenuity” is consistent with how it is used throughout the Book of Mormon. (1 Nephi 16:10; 18:1, Alma 37:39, Helaman 6:11, and Ether 10:27)
Being “an exceedingly curious man, therefore he went forth and built him
an exceedingly large ship…” describes Hagoth’s engineering genius. He,
like Nephi, must have worked “timbers of curious workmanship”.
(1 Nephi 18:1, see also
Helaman 6:11) The Book of Mormon nowhere says that Hagoth was an explorer
of strange new lands or the leader of a group of immigrants.
Verse 5 of
Verse 6 does not say that Hagoth captained or was even onboard the vessel that sailed northward.
Verse 7 can be interpreted to mean that Hagoth, the entrepreneur ship builder, stayed ashore designing and building more ships. It is also possible that he traveled to other locations and built ships there. Perhaps the Nephites could sail aboard a ship to the land northward, commute over land and take another ship (also built by Hagoth) out to the Ocean. The verse does not say.
Verse 8 does not say that the first ship which was boarded was the same ship which presumably sank. The occupants may have boarded yet another vessel once they arrived in the land northward before presumably drowning “in the depths of the sea.”
The expression "depths of the sea" doesn't necessarily
mean ocean deep.
The expression implies a sea deep enough to drown in.
Nephi tells us that his brothers
intended to "throw him into the depths of the sea", but that was
from the shore.
(1 Nephi 17:48)
Book of Mormon also tells of coastal cities that were "sunk in the
depths of the sea".
(3 Nephi 8:9)
While on "the
In summary: The Book of Mormon does not equate the “west sea” with the Pacific Ocean. The Book of Mormon does not tell us that Hagoth was onboard any of the ships that were lost. Scripture does not say that he captained a vessel or that he was an explorer or an adventurer, or that he led people. The skilled Hagoth’s main objective may have been to profit from the shipping industry.
It is conceivable that peoples in various places could be
related to Hagoth’s people (the Nephites) without Hagoth personally
making an ocean voyage.
Parties from colonies, once associated with Nephite
shipping, could have built more vessels and traveled very far in time.
Parties from colonies, once associated with Nephite shipping, could have built more vessels and traveled very far in time.
And it came to pass that in the thirty and seventh year of the
reign of the judges, there was a large company of men, even to the
amount of five thousand and four hundred men, with
their wives and their children, departed out of the
And it came to pass that Hagoth, he being an
exceedingly curious man, therefore he went forth
and built him an exceedingly large ship, on the borders of the
6 And behold, there were many of the Nephites who did enter therein and did sail forth with much provisions, and also many women and children; and they took their course northward. And thus ended the thirty and seventh year.
7 And in the thirty and eighth year, this man [Hagoth] built other ships. And the first ship did also return, and many more people did enter into it; and they also took much provisions, and set out again to the land northward.
8 And it came to pass that they were never heard of more. And we suppose that they were drowned in the depths of the sea. And it came to pass that one other ship also did sail forth; and whither she did go we know not. (Alma 63:4-8)
Q: Must we attribute the great destruction and
darkness that befell Book of Mormon lands, to a hurricane and local
A meteor or comet airburst (similar to the Tunguska Event of 1908) could have unleashed the diverse modes of destruction described in 3 Nephi: fire from the sky, bright flashes and lightning, claps of thunder and rumbling, seismic shocks and after shocks, strong gusts, "tempest" and "whirlwinds" (tornados), destructive waves, forest fires, clouds of smoke and water vapor. Much smaller (600 ton TNT equivalent) airburst have occurred over the Great Lakes region in recent history. ("Tunguska Event", Wikipedia)
Certainly smoke contributed to the cover of darkness experienced by Book of Mormon peoples. Persistent banks of water vapor may have also been present. This could explain references to both "vapor of smoke" and "vapor" or "mists of darkness"? (3 Nephi 8:22; 10:13; 1 Nephi 19:11) Dry wood taken out into a steamy atmosphere may not kindle even if the heavy mist is laden with enough oxygen to support human respiration. (3 Nephi 8:21)
The LORD said, "...O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten by me. I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee." (Isaiah 44:21-22 3 Nephi 10:5) The "three days of darkness" was a sign "more especially" given to the house of Israel inhabiting the "isles" (coasts) of the sea. (1 Nephi 19:10) It is also worth considering extraordinary local events described in scripture involving obscuring clouds, which do not seem to be tied to volcanism: Helaman 5:23-49 Exodus 13:21-22; 14:19-20, 24; 19:9, 16, Numbers 9:15-22, Psalm 105:39, Matthew 17:5, Acts 1:9, Mosiah 27:11, 3 Nephi 18:38, Ether 2:4-5, 14.
Tempests, tornadoes and earthquakes all potentially
threaten the northeastern
Of course nature and
the Almighty are quite able to subject western
It is a historical fact that the regions of Canada, just to the north of New York, have experienced not only very violent earthquakes but also enigmatic episodes of daytime darkness so profound and extensive that observes, right or wrong, have attributed the phenomenon to volcanism. The Historical Magazine of 1864, cites several well documented examples and presents the opinions of notable witnesses of the phenomenon.
"...in the first month, on the fourth day of the month, there arose a great storm.."
there was also a great and terrible tempest; and there was terrible
thunder, insomuch that it did shake the whole earth..."
"And there were exceedingly sharp lightnings, such as never had been known in all the land."
the city of
behold, there was a more great and terrible destruction in the land
northward; for behold, the whole face of the land was changed, because of
the tempest and the whirlwinds, and the thunderings and the
the highways were broken up, and the level roads were spoiled..."
many great and notable cities were sunk, and many were burned..."
the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the storm, and the
tempest, and the quakings of the earth did cease-...here was darkness
upon the face of the land..." (3 Nephi 8:5-8, 12-14, 19)
now, whoso readeth, let him understand...let him search them [the
scriptures], and see... if all these deaths and destructions by
fire, and by smoke, and by tempests, and by whirlwinds,
and by the opening of the earth...are not unto the fulfilling
of the prophesies of many of the holy prophets." (3
Smoke from a wildfire starting to obscure the sun
A meteor or comet airburst near Lake Ontario, offers a unified explanation of "the great
destruction" and "darkness" that befell Book of Mormon
lands. Author Phyllis Carol Olive has found reference to a Native American
legend telling of a "blazing star" that "fell ...on the
banks of the St. Lawrence, and destroyed the people."
R. Schoolcraft, Notes on the Iroquois,
New York (1846) pp. 39-40)
A meteor or comet airburst near Lake Ontario, offers a unified explanation of "the great destruction" and "darkness" that befell Book of Mormon lands. Author Phyllis Carol Olive has found reference to a Native American legend telling of a "blazing star" that "fell ...on the banks of the St. Lawrence, and destroyed the people." (Henry R. Schoolcraft, Notes on the Iroquois, New York (1846) pp. 39-40)
Based on Central American legends and LDS scripture,
can we say conclusively
that Lehi's covenant land of liberty is in
there are amazing stories
of "Chee-Zoos, the Dawn God" visiting ancient peoples of northern
, there are amazing stories of "Chee-Zoos, the Dawn God" visiting ancient peoples of northern America.
"...and behold they saw a Man descending out of heaven..."
stretched forth his hand and spake unto the people, saying:"
Man among the Gentiles
Q: Based on Nephi's vision, must we conclude that
Lehi's Promised Land is one of the lands visited by
Legends of the 6th century sea faring monk, Saint Brendan, the Navigator may be based on fact. According to the old accounts, Saint Brendan and fellow Irish monks sailed the North Atlantic in search of the "Promised Land of the Saints". Brendan may have actually succeeded in reaching the shores of America and in contacting native peoples. In 1976, explorer Tim Severin constructed a boat similar to that described in the legends of the Navigator saint. Severin successfully sailed his vessel to North America along the route believed to have been taken by Saint Brendan and his crew. Legendary accounts of Brendan the Navigator became well known in Europe.
The Norse (Christian Leif Ericsson and others) visited North America centuries before the birth of Columbus. Norse voyages and encounters with Native Americans became the stuff of inspiring sagas.
John Cabot (Giovanni
Caboto) sailed across the Atlantic to
I looked and beheld a man among the Gentiles...and I beheld the
Spirit of God, that it came down and wrought upon the man; and he went
forth upon the many waters, even unto the seed of my brethren, who were
in the promised land." (1
Saint Brendan and the Whale
John Cabot is credited with the discovery of the North American continent - not Christopher Columbus!
An Exceedingly Great Distance........!
Q: Is it possible for Zarahemla to be in Guatemala given the
scriptural location of Cumorah at
the Finger Lakes?
"exceeding great distance" for old and young afoot, does not
have to mean thousands of miles?
The generic hourglass model of
Book of Mormon lands runs into difficulty with the accounts of journey's
to regions near Cumorah. Many assume that all
seas surrounding Book of Mormon lands are Oceans. If this is true then
how could the search party sent out by Limhi have traveled to a place
near Cumorah without passing through the narrow neck of land north of
Zarahemla? If they had passed through the "small neck of land" wouldn't
they have known they were too far north of Zarahemla? For those
traveling northward and eastward from Zarahemla, the land of Cumorah is
less than a hundred miles. A land of "large bodies of water and many
rivers" (in Ontario Canada) on the other hand, was esteemed "an
exceedingly great distance" (hundreds of miles) from Zarahemla.
The generic hourglass model of Book of Mormon lands runs into difficulty with the accounts of journey's to regions near Cumorah. Many assume that all seas surrounding Book of Mormon lands are Oceans. If this is true then how could the search party sent out by Limhi have traveled to a place near Cumorah without passing through the narrow neck of land north of Zarahemla? If they had passed through the "small neck of land" wouldn't they have known they were too far north of Zarahemla? For those traveling northward and eastward from Zarahemla, the land of Cumorah is less than a hundred miles. A land of "large bodies of water and many rivers" (in Ontario Canada) on the other hand, was esteemed "an exceedingly great distance" (hundreds of miles) from Zarahemla. (Helaman 3:3-4)
If Book of Mormon lands were almost but not entirely surrounded by inland
then there may have been more than one way to get from Limhi's colony in
the land of Nephi (south of Zarahemla) to a location near the Finger
Lakes (land of many waters) without having to traverse the narrow neck.
Traveling this other route in a land of among many waters may have allowed Limhi's search party to mistakenly think they had found Zarahemla
destroyed, when in fact they had come upon the desolation of the
Jaredites near Ramah (the hill Cumorah,
If Book of Mormon lands were almost but not entirely surrounded by inland seas (Alma 22:32), then there may have been more than one way to get from Limhi's colony in the land of Nephi (south of Zarahemla) to a location near the Finger Lakes (land of many waters) without having to traverse the narrow neck. Traveling this other route in a land of among many waters may have allowed Limhi's search party to mistakenly think they had found Zarahemla destroyed, when in fact they had come upon the desolation of the Jaredites near Ramah (the hill Cumorah, Ether 15:11).
[Limhi] caused that forty and three of my people should take a journey...that
thereby they might find the
"And they were lost in the wilderness...having traveled in a land among many waters...having
discovered a land which had been peopled..."
"...and they, having supposed it
to be the
"...I, Mormon...hid up in the hill
Cumorah all the records..." (Mormon
Native American Writing
Q: Does the fact that writing existed among ancient Mesoamerican cultures prove Book of Mormon lands are in Central America? A: No! Characters copied from the Book of Mormon plates resemble North American Mi'kmaq script much more closely than Mayan glyphs. According to Mi'kmac oral tradition, the Mi'kmac characters were used anciently.
Moroni's comments in Mormon 9:32-34 give us to understand that the plates were inscribed with the peculiar written language of the Nephite people: "...in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech."
Jacob son of Lehi regarded engraving on metal plates (not stone) as the
only means of ultimately preserving his people's writing.
Jacob son of Lehi regarded engraving on metal plates (not stone) as the only means of ultimately preserving his people's writing. (Jacob 4:1-2)
A recommended source of Mi'kmaq characters (also spelled Micmac): Mi'kmaq Hieroglyphic Prayers, Readings in North America's First Indigenous Script, edited and translated by David L. Schmidt and Murdena Marshall, Nimbus Publishing, Copyright 2006.
"And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech."
if our plates had been sufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew...and
if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no
imperfection in our record.
the Lord knoweth the things which we have written...and because that
none other people knoweth our language...he hath prepared means for
the interpretation thereof."
above Nephite symbols come from the "Charactors" transcript (early Mormon
transcript of characters copied from the Book of Mormon plates). Though
the spoken language of the Mi'kmaq people of northern